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Postby elaine95 » Sat Sep 21, 2019 3:27 pm

The NFL’s trade deadline is nearly here. All trades must be complete by 4:00 PM Eastern time on Tuesday Womens Za'Darius Smith Jersey , October 30th, and writers for outlets all over are trying to project some ideas of trades that would make sense around the league.Naturally, they’re going to get some things wrong, and one of the biggest outlets,, has a major trade idea involving the Green Bay Packers that looks patently absurd for both the Green and Gold as well as their potential trading partner. Here’s the proposed trade: the Packers send safety Josh Jones and a conditional late-round draft pick to the Buffalo Bills for running back LeSean McCoy.From the Bills’ perspective, acquiring a safety makes little to no sense. ESPN’s Mike Sando, who put forth the idea, quotes an anonymous talent evaluator when discussing Jones’ fit in Buffalo: “Jones could be a safety or dime ‘backer and a nice pickup for Buffalo.”However, Matt Warren of SB Nation blog Buffalo Rumblings described his take on the situation to APC:Beyond the lack of sense for the Bills, there’s the question of why the Packers would want to acquire McCoy. Here are the two notable quotes that Sando gathered from anonymous league sources, regarding the Packers’ offense:(Emphasis added by APC.)The problems with these lines of reasoning are legion. First of all, if you hardly even know Aaron Jones, then you haven’t been paying attention to the Packers’ offense between week three of 2017 and today — it’s as simple as that. Jones is absolutely a dynamic playmaker, as his breakouts against the Cowboys and Saints last season demonstrated. Sure, he does not have a 100-yard day yet this season, but you can thank Mike McCarthy and the coaching staff rather than Jones himself. And although Sando’s article points to the safety on Sunday as an example of the Packers’ poor running game, he and his sources need only look one quarter later at Jones’ 33-yard touchdown to see an example of dynamic running happening in this offense.Using Jones as the featured runner and pairing him with a tough, physical runner like Jamaal Williams — particularly when both players can catch the ball out of the backfield — is a fine recipe for an effective running game with Aaron Rodgers under center. The problem isn’t the personnel, it’s how the coaching staff is using them, an issue that would not be solved by the arrival of a 30-year old back. Besides, the Packers came into week 8 with the fifth-ranked rushing offense by DVOA. Would McCoy improve that number up into the top two or three, and if he did, would it make any significant difference?Then there’s McCoy’s contract. While Jones, Williams, and Ty Montgomery are all on their rookie deals — and the first two being in just their second seasons — McCoy comes with a huge price tag. He would be owed about $6.5 million in salary next season, and he’s still due about $3 million over the rest of this year. Can you imagine a team with Russ Ball holding the purse strings being willing to dish out that kind of money for a running back on the wrong side of 30?Adding a further complication to this is the fact that McCoy is currently in the concussion protocol, though he may end up being cleared to play tonight against the New England Patriots.Fundamentally Bart Starr Jersey , this trade idea is based on a lack of knowledge about the Packers’ current running backs and how the team does business. The compensation for Buffalo is also a flawed, failing to understand the workings of that team’s defense. It should serve as a reminder that an active trade market in the NFL is still a new concept, and the media has not yet caught up to the dynamics of the market — nor do national writers or their sources really have any feel for how individual teams tend to operate. The combine just happened. What do we know, what don’t we understand, and what’s with those graphs?"WhiteFanposts Fanshots Sections The APC PodcastPackers Film RoomFantasy Football AdviceCSTShareTweetShareShareHow can a stat-head properly contextualize NFL Scouting Combine results?Jeff Hanisch-USA TODAY SportsI fully admit to not being a great watcher of tape. This is partially because I am, generally speaking, a skeptic of the scouting process, and partially because there are some aspects of the sport like technical offensive line play that are best left to those with experience at the position. It’s good and useful to understand your limitations.That said, it’s also good to understand your strengths, and the world of math has plenty to say about scouting if used properly. Here, I wanted to lay out those strengths, my favorite tools, and where the Ted Thompson regime may have gone off the rails. 1. RAS and MockdraftablesKent Lee Platte (@Mathbomb on twitter) writes for our sister site, Pride of Detroit, and is the creator of RAS (Relative Athletic Score). We’ve seen plenty of attempts at a composite athletic profiles, from Sparq to Speed Score to Freak Score, but RAS is my personal favorite. The best thing about RAS is that Kent clearly put a lot of thought and research into what makes each position successful. RAS is simple in its presentation, with breakdowns of athletic measurables into “Explosion” and “Agility”. Kent is also both humble and clear in his explanations on what RAS is and is not. One of my biggest issues with Pro Football Focus’ grades is that they purport to be somewhat all-encompassing. Kent is not a scout in the traditional sense, and RAS tells you only what it tells you. Good technique and drive can overcome a lack of athleticism sometimes, and RAS will not capture that. However, athletic players are more likely to succeed, and picking from that pool can be a recipe for success. Where RAS succeeds in logic and presentation, Mockdraftables fails miserably. I will confess to having a soft spot for Mockdraftables and its radar charts, and I find their comparables to be great fun. If you ignore presentation, it’s a fine repository of combine results. also makes no sense. Take a look at Jordy here. Radar charts are all about presenting information through the total area covered by the chart. In theory, someone with a huge radar (in terms of area) should be better than someone with a smaller radar. Nelson gets a huge amount of chart area from height-weight-hand size-arm length. That’s frankly ridiculous. Because not every player runs every drill, Mockdraftable charts are also not uniform, and given how the metrics line up on the rim Za'Darius Smith Jersey , it can present a completely distorted picture. It’s all very silly. Nelson was a great player, but this chart doesn’t tell you why that was at all, and what it does tell you is basically useless, as Nelson’s vertical and shuttle did not seem to impact his professional prospects. Fundamentally, Mockdraftables charts obscure what is important, and highlight aspects that simply don’t matter. That said, they do look cool. 2. Unmeasurable AthleticismThe combine is fine, and a lot of people love it, but it’s worth remembering that it is a small sample size event that everyone weights too heavily. The fact of the matter is that teams spend an inordinate amount of time watching tape, and they can pick up on most of these measurables through computer-assisted tape analysis, over a much larger sample. There are also aspects of physical athleticism that are difficult to measure. Football is partially about strength, speed, and agility, but it is also almost as much about body control, and proprioception. For quarterbacks, a position for which body control and precise movement is paramount, the combine is nearly worthless in making judgments. Athletic profiles and combine scores work better for some positions than others, and knowing which are which makes an enormous difference.3. Good at FootballThere are also certain advanced football skills that can close the athletic gap. The easy one to point to is crisp route running. One of the easiest ways to separate good receivers from bad receivers is to simply watch who makes sharp breaks when they change direction, and who rounds off their routes. It seems like such a simple thing, yet so many players don’t seem to grasp the importance of squared routes. Likewise, a defensive player who commits to proper technique and who takes proper routes can compensate for a lack of athleticism by giving himself less space to cover. This is where scouts make their money, as identifying transferable on-field skills is worth its weight in gold. 4. The Packers and RASThe Packers’ 2016 and 2017 draft classes were extremely athletic, ranking 4th and 3rd respectively. They were also kind of terrible. While there were some winners (Kenny Clark, Aaron Jones, Kyler Fackrell) there are also some players who look big busts (Jason Spriggs, Josh Jones)The Packers are famous for their athletic thresholds on positions (editor’s note: we’ll go over some of the top combine performers against those thresholds in the coming days), and they rarely stray, but I do wonder sometimes if their current front office may be a bit heavy on metics and light on scouting. Ted Thompson in his prime was a master at the soft part of scouting Womens DeShone Kizer Jersey , especially for wide receivers. Near the end of his tenure he seemed to rely more heavily on athletic profiles to his detriment. Let’s take a quick look at Jason Spriggs, who put up outstanding athletic scores across the board. There is, of course, an elephant in the profile. Spriggs was very light, and he also played light. While it’s true that players can and do add bulk and strength after their college days, Spriggs needed to add a lot to be really effective, and adding weight can have an adverse impact on your other skills. RAS provides a helpful red warning flag. “Playing heavy” is also its own unique skill, and Spriggs had never done it, or looked as if he could. The Packers have their minimums, but in this case, they missed a category where a minimum would have saved them. For tackles, weight is important. Spriggs excelled at the 40-yard dash, but honestly, who cares? Spriggs’ profile would be fantastic with another 15 pounds on him, but as it stands, it’s clear the Packers focused on things that just aren’t as important for tackles, while ignoring the (lack of) elephant in the room.5. The New RegimeStat nerds have a reputation for ignoring scouting to their detriment, but ultimately numbers and tape need to work together. Numbers can tell you how explosive or shifty a player is in a quantifiable fashion. They can even tell you what skills are likely to make a player successful. However, it’s important to use those numbers properly, as context for how the player actually plays, and for contextualizing limitations. The old Packer regime was actually quite progressive for their day, but they were eventually passed by more modern organizations. The new blood can show of their moxie in this draft with a deft blend of positional value, athletic assessment, and proper scouting. Every team has access to numbers. Kent does a great job with RAS, but the fact that he’s doing this indicates that every team has something similar, and likely even more advanced. The big advantage hanging out there for everyone is applying these numbers to specific developmental profiles. It’s no longer about identifying a Julio Jones. That’s easy. The challenge now is avoiding Jason Spriggs.
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